[22:45:48] @ Kergillian : The SSCs do not have the power to make binding decisions; they exist to recommend proposals for the SC, in its entirety, to vote on.
[22:46:25] @ dmaxx : Looks good
[22:46:33] @ little_alien : Y
[22:46:36] @ azzurro : Y
[22:46:44] @ quisquilia : "draft proposals" better perhaps?
[22:47:05] @ little_alien : of course we have to trust the ssc's I'll blindly trust the BFL on legal matters
[22:47:18] @ Kergillian : -nods- ok: they exist to draft proposals...
[22:47:33] @ quisquilia : OT: good to know, l_a... heh
[22:47:52] @ Kergillian : @l_a: we'll for sure have to put a bit of blind faith into issues that are beyond our knowledge Smile
[22:47:57] @ dmaxx : sentence changed
[22:47:58] @ little_alien : yeah, I don't know anything about that sort of stuff
[22:48:03] @ quisquilia : @ kerg: ok then
[22:48:31] @ Kergillian : so all that's left is the structure?
[22:49:00] @ Kergillian : I would change it from Members to Permanent Members
[22:49:02] @ quisquilia : dmaxx, no, no: change to "they exist to draft proposals for the SC"
[22:49:06] @ dmaxx : I think it can be included with the other lines, no need to seperate "General" from "Structure"
[22:49:27] @ Kergillian : 1) quis is right (good catch!) - delete 'recommend'
[22:49:28] @ dmaxx : fixed line
[22:49:56] @ Kergillian : thx
[22:49:59] @ Kergillian : I would change it from Members to Permanent Members
[22:50:02] @ quisquilia : thx
[22:50:20] @ Kergillian : so that we can bring in consultants that would not affect the cap
[22:50:21] @ dmaxx : "SSC size"
[22:50:24] @ quisquilia : or SC members
[22:50:28] @ Kergillian : (or even SC Members)
[22:50:34] @ Kergillian : -lol- yah
[22:50:38] @ dmaxx : Good for me
[22:50:44] @ quisquilia : same minds
[22:50:46] @ Kergillian : Number of SC members per SSC:
[22:50:47] @ dmaxx : "SC members per group"
[22:51:05] @ Kergillian : -lol- yah
[22:51:09] @ Kergillian : all on the same page now ;p
[22:51:34] @ Kergillian : we agreed on 5/4/4?
[22:51:34] @ dmaxx : changed line
[22:51:39] @ quisquilia : ok, are we done?
[22:51:50] @ dmaxx : yes, it includes the bridge member
[22:51:54] @ dmaxx : 5/4/4
[22:51:55] @ Kergillian : 2 things:
[22:52:03] @ Kergillian : 1) I would change it from group to SSC
[22:52:45] @ Kergillian : 2) I would add a note at the bottom - NOTE: this includes one bridge member of both VIS and TECH, and one bridge member of both VIS and BFL
[22:52:59] @ quisquilia : [joking] How about SCSG ? [/joking]
[22:53:17] @ Kergillian : Smile
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[22:53:59] @ azzurro : I agree on 5/4/4
[22:54:01] @ dmaxx : changed line, plz check
[22:54:22] @ Kergillian : awesome
[22:54:25] @ Kergillian : thanks dmaxx Smile
[22:54:29] @ dmaxx : bridge VIS - TECH is not same person as VIS - BFL ???
[22:54:32] @ quisquilia : ok
[22:54:38] @ dmaxx : two bridges?
[22:54:42] @ Kergillian : maybe, maybe not
[22:54:46] @ dmaxx : otherwise it's bridge VIS - TECH - BFL
[22:54:48] @ azzurro : "number of SC members" (or am I too picky now)
[22:54:48] @ quisquilia : no I'm VIS - BFL
[22:54:56] @ Kergillian : we have to figure that out once the SSGs are finalized
[22:55:05] @ Kergillian : it makes sense to have 2
[22:55:11] @ Kergillian : because oftime constraints
[22:55:16] @ dmaxx : "number of": added
[22:55:22] @ Kergillian : and their needs are not the same
[22:55:35] @ Kergillian : ok - I have to go - going to see Richie Havens tonight
[22:55:36] @ dmaxx : Ok
[22:55:47] @ azzurro : OK. see ya kerg
[22:55:51] @ dmaxx : I think the topic is finished
[22:55:53] @ quisquilia : bye
[22:55:55] @ dmaxx : Bye Kerg
[22:56:03] @ dmaxx : We made some nice progress today
[22:56:04] @ Kergillian : thanks to everyone for their patience with me afro
[22:56:10] @ Kergillian : yah
[22:56:12] @ dmaxx : No probs
[22:56:20] @ quisquilia : yes, I want to go out now and party, too
[22:56:28] @ Kergillian : also: don't forget to move me to TECH if you haven't already
[22:56:36] little_alien is too tired for party
[22:56:42] @ azzurro : I'll do that
[22:56:47] @ quisquilia : so, dmaxx, you're going to message all SC members this week?
[22:56:48] @ Kergillian : cheers all!
[22:56:57] @ dmaxx : last edit: removed "DRAFT***" line
[22:57:03] @ quisquilia : l_a, sleep well
[22:57:04] @ Kergillian : (and please someone get the word out on the forum vote!)
[22:57:07] @ dmaxx : message for ?
[22:57:09] @ azzurro : kerg.. before you leave
[22:57:16] @ azzurro : shoudl I mention you as bridge member
[22:57:23] @ dmaxx : I'll place the poll underneath the header
[22:57:26] @ azzurro : just checking
[22:57:26] @ little_alien : oh I'm not logging out yet
[22:57:28] @ Kergillian : me?
[22:57:34] @ quisquilia : message what SSCs are and that they need to choose one
[22:57:37] @ dmaxx : Newsletter: AFTER forum poll (otherwise the links won't be correct)
[22:57:38] @ azzurro : yup
[22:57:53] @ dmaxx : quisquilla: I'll do that
[22:58:16] @ Kergillian : It depends
[22:58:22] @ Kergillian : I think there will be too many VIS members
[22:58:31] @ Kergillian : there are currently 6
[22:58:37] @ Kergillian : and TECH is the missing link
[22:58:47] @ dmaxx : I think the VIS group is full
[22:58:48] @ Kergillian : so I don't think there's room for me at VIS
[22:58:54] @ dmaxx : TECH too empty indeed
[22:59:03] @ quisquilia : we have 3 for TECH so far, right?
[22:59:09] @ dmaxx : Yes.
[22:59:10] @ azzurro : OK, than I'll move you
[22:59:11] @ quisquilia : hmvh, kerg, l_a
[22:59:17] @ dmaxx : With the bridge = 4? Right?
[22:59:24] @ Kergillian : so move me to TECH - I have no programming expertise but I can make a lot of interface suggestions
[22:59:24] @ little_alien : we need lazlo in tech
[22:59:28] @ Kergillian : yah
[22:59:36] @ little_alien : I hope he re-surfaces
[22:59:41] @ quisquilia : yes, dmaxx
[22:59:53] @ dmaxx : Good
[23:00:00] @ dmaxx : I'll sent the message tomorrow
[23:00:17] @ Kergillian : we basically need:
[23:00:27] @ Kergillian : 5 in VIS, 3 in TECH and 3 in BFL
[23:00:33] @ azzurro : ow.. we hmvh mentioned twice as well now, both vis and tech
[23:00:36] @ Kergillian : with 2 of VIS also being in TECH and BFL
[23:00:47] @ Kergillian : that's OK
[23:00:54] @ Kergillian : if he's willing to be a bridge;)
[23:00:59] @ Kergillian : hmvh?
[23:01:24] @ quisquilia : ok, thx to you all, I'm out into a mellown spring night in Berlin
[23:01:26] @ Kergillian : anyhow - I'm off...cheers!
[23:01:35] Kergillian is Disconnected on Sat 26 Apr 2008 - 23:01
[23:01:35] @ hmvh : I said on the wiki that hmvh + vis + tech.
[23:01:41] @ dmaxx : OK, bye quisquilla
[23:02:00] @ azzurro : hmvh - OK, so you're willing to bridge
[23:02:03] quisquilia is Disconnected on Sat 26 Apr 2008 - 23:02
[23:02:03] @ dmaxx : hmvh: bridge? cool
[23:02:09] @ hmvh : FWIW.
[23:02:56] @ hmvh : Great. Everyone leaves, and I had one more question. A big one.
[23:03:49] @ little_alien : I'm still here fellow Tech member Wink
[23:04:13] @ azzurro : i'm here as well
[23:04:19] @ azzurro : though I think not for that long
[23:04:46] @ hmvh : Oh, thanks. Well, since this IS a bridge question...
[23:04:48] @ little_alien : same here
[23:05:53] @ hmvh : A quick read - a quick opinion of the HUGE task that lays ahead:
[23:05:59] @ hmvh : https://discogs.actieforum.com/8-submission-guidelines-allowed-data-f12/3-the-data-extracted-t229.htm
[23:07:48] @ dmaxx : "What is it we want to capture" VIS?
[23:08:07] @ little_alien : pff heavy stuff..
[23:08:33] @ dmaxx : Very heavy
[23:09:00] @ little_alien : as with all issues I'd say, implement as discogs, get it to work and improve from there at a later stage
[23:09:08] @ azzurro : indeed
[23:09:24] @ azzurro : well, with a small sidenote
[23:09:42] @ azzurro : I'ld prefer to have an errata field directly, and not in the release notes
[23:10:16] @ hmvh : Big sidenote: Errata field. Defined label fields. And more.
[23:10:52] @ dmaxx : Big indeed
[23:11:23] @ hmvh : OK. Kerg's good with words and politics.
[23:11:34] @ little_alien : knock knock, we should be glad if we get this to the level of discogs v2
[23:11:48] @ little_alien : everything that is added is a bonus
[23:12:02] @ little_alien : don't want to be the pessimist, but that's how i see it
[23:12:16] @ hmvh : This kinda stuff is what I'm good at. I'll work on it...
[23:12:43] @ hmvh : l_a... do you think you could code discogs v2?
[23:13:10] @ little_alien : if I had the time I could, I'd have to work on my AJAX skills though
[23:13:19] @ little_alien : but.. i don't have the time
[23:13:52] @ little_alien : after a week of coding at work I can't push myself to do more in the weekends, no matter for which good course it is Sad
[23:14:10] @ hmvh : Ajax was v3, and if I'd have the time I'd quickly teach myself Smile
[23:14:11] @ little_alien : I have been planning to make a qwebsite of my own for ages
[23:14:18] @ little_alien : never got round to it
[23:14:48] @ little_alien : well, we need ajax to speed up the submission form
[23:14:57] @ hmvh : Yeah, ogs made us all slaves to something strange we can't understand. Now it's DdB.
[23:15:09] @ azzurro : guys, my eyes are falling down, so I'm going off
[23:15:10] @ hmvh : Ajax for modding, absolutely.
[23:15:12] @ little_alien : instant lists etc without reloading the page
[23:15:36] @ little_alien : good night azzurro
[23:15:46] @ hmvh : Anycase. You guys go enjoy whatever Saturday has in stall for you.
[23:15:46] @ azzurro : thnx see ya later
[23:16:03] @ azzurro : hmvh - a bed Razz
[23:16:38] @ hmvh : Oh yes, I've seen those on TV Smile
[23:17:11] @ hmvh : OK, that's it for now... I also need a break. Anything else?
[23:17:27] @ little_alien : I wish i was a robot.. I'd go on all night and have that site ready in a week...
[23:17:36] @ dmaxx : azzurro: bye
[23:19:33] @ hmvh : Alright... let's call it a night/day/whatever. Later, ladies!
[23:19:39] hmvh is Disconnected on Sat 26 Apr 2008 - 23:19
[23:19:55] little_alien is off too then...
[23:20:19] @ little_alien : die belgische biertjhes beginnen te werken...
[23:20:23] hmvh has joined the chat the Sat 26 Apr 2008 - 23:20
[23:20:26] @ little_alien : biertjes zelfs
[23:20:49] @ little_alien : ehhh
[23:20:55] @ little_alien : you're back?
[23:21:10] @ hmvh : I missed you...
[23:21:31] @ little_alien : don't worry, I';ll be around on the forums Razz
[23:22:22] @ hmvh : Is there a way to link credits directly to tracks, no the ogs free text way?
[23:23:35] @ little_alien : sure, depends on how you set things up
[23:23:59] @ hmvh : I'd like to see global credits for global credits only.
[23:24:02] @ little_alien : a joiner table with track ID's and a credit role could be made
[23:24:40] @ hmvh : Track credits per track only -- but it must be easy to add, not having to enter thsame data as many times as there are tracks.
[23:25:13] @ little_alien : indeed
[23:25:17] @ hmvh : So we can extract (ID) each track per release? I'm looking for song pages, because... we can!
[23:25:46] @ little_alien : hmm, now you're loosing me
[23:26:00] @ little_alien : I'm still more release oriented
[23:26:16] @ dmaxx : Using track IDs?
[23:26:29] @ dmaxx : I thought it was rejected due to too complicated
[23:26:32] @ little_alien : but for credits to work properly we have to add an id to tracks
[23:26:59] @ little_alien : yes, using the ID's openly will be way too complicated
[23:27:07] @ hmvh : Exactly: Release ID + track# = unique track ID.
[23:27:09] @ dmaxx : Ok, but I'm talking about song pages etc
[23:27:14] @ little_alien : but underneath the presentation layer we need them
[23:27:15] @ dmaxx : Not openly
[23:27:20] @ dmaxx : Smile
[23:27:34] @ dmaxx : Good