[18:32:45] Iron_Fist : ^^as above
[18:33:45] @ dmaxx : I think the wording is fine
[18:34:06] @ pusha : H before you go - you like what we have ?
[18:34:12] @ pusha : I same question ?
[18:34:12] @ hmvh : @dmaxx: essentially the same as far as the db is concerned (both will have an "artist" page, maybe even the same profile) but we need them to split off songs into separate entities. That's MY big scheme, I hope I'm not being a "
[18:34:17] @ pusha : Gizmex Same quetsion
[18:34:19] @ hmvh : brb
[18:34:29] @ hmvh : ...not being a "teo".
[18:34:40] @ pusha : lol
[18:34:56] Gizmex : reading, I was offline for a moment
[18:35:06] @ pusha : no worres Very Happy
[18:35:09] Gizmex : I'm not sure about promotion material
[18:35:30] @ hmvh : A promo CD is promo material Smile
[18:35:39] @ quisquilia : "split off songs into separate entities" - what does that mean? track IDs & stuff?
[18:35:39] @ pusha : @ SC - in H's original post he had "What information do we want to exract taht makes it interesting to the casual visitor and the dedicated user"
[18:35:47] @ dmaxx : but: audio = promo
[18:35:47] @ pusha : it seems like we covered that, no ?
[18:35:53] @ dmaxx : That's basically the same
[18:36:01] @ dmaxx : No need to define promo
[18:36:02] Gizmex : Ah OK U mean about Audio prmotional material, then OK
[18:36:04] @ pusha : k
[18:36:19] @ pusha : well I was talking "cups, and trinkets"
[18:36:31] @ pusha : seems like someone always wants to add that stuff
[18:36:41] @ dmaxx : I'd say no to anything without audio on it
[18:36:43] @ pusha : personaly I dont care, just making mention of it
[18:36:58] @ pusha : oh oh oh
[18:36:58] @ quisquilia : agree with dmaxx
[18:36:59] @ dmaxx : Otherwise we might as well start with DVDs and books...
[18:36:59] @ hmvh : No posters or T-shirts Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
[18:37:16] @ pusha : we could make that part of a "user customizing his profile"
[18:37:21] @ pusha : kind of part of the notes deal
[18:37:27] @ quisquilia : audio books - belong into DB
[18:37:30] @ hmvh : ...and if it's books on muzak then you may as well add cooking books, exactly.
[18:37:52] @ dmaxx : audiobooks yes, no physical ones
[18:38:02] @ pusha : ok so scratch non-audio for this conversaiton then
[18:38:06] @ quisquilia : okay
[18:38:15] @ hmvh : http://www.discogs.com/release/997480
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[18:39:01] @ pusha : yeah - not my bag H but ok
[18:39:17] Iron_Fist : sorry to interrupt. I'm not SC member, but are we even thinking of the possibility to link Studios? TO BE DISCUSSED LATER PERHAPS, WHEN ON TOPIC.
[18:39:22] Iron_Fist : ok I'll shut up now
[18:39:27] @ dmaxx : 997480 : Y
[18:39:42] @ dmaxx : Studios... good question
[18:39:46] @ dmaxx : I'd say Y
[18:39:53] @ dmaxx : As they can easely be defined
[18:39:56] @ pusha : Studios is companies, yeah ?
[18:39:58] @ quisquilia : studios included in companies
[18:40:02] @ pusha : that is what I was thinking
[18:40:10] @ dmaxx : Good
[18:40:11] @ pusha : maybe a more specific field though
[18:40:13] @ dmaxx : Problem solved Smile
[18:40:28] @ quisquilia : yay!
[18:40:28] @ pusha : we like ?
[18:40:30] @ dmaxx : Or add (Studio) behind entryname
[18:40:32] @ hmvh : Studios = companies, can do, can work into.
[18:40:38] Kevlar test
[18:40:49] @ pusha : coolies
[18:41:03] @ dmaxx : Good
[18:41:04] @ hmvh : Certainly studios for track-specific free-text Smile (sorry, hmvh thinks major makulu BIG)
[18:41:22] @ pusha : ok next on the doc - looks to be a type of FAQ section
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[18:41:43] @ quisquilia : dislike (Studio) behind enty name - don't change info
[18:42:00] @ pusha : disagree with H, based on our above conversation
[18:42:03] @ pusha : re: history
[18:42:18] @ pusha : to me a studio is more key then any photography or cover artist
[18:42:25] @ quisquilia : mucking up = later correcting
[18:42:47] @ dmaxx : So treat it seperate? artists / companies / ... / studio
[18:43:00] @ quisquilia : yeah, push, that's YOUR preference / priority, others feel different
[18:43:14] @ hmvh : OK ladies, I need to shoot. I'll leave with these words:
[18:43:23] @ pusha : I would say I have no priorities
[18:43:25] @ pusha : :d
[18:43:31] @ dmaxx : :scratch:processing info
[18:43:35] @ quisquilia : therefore DB should provide ALL info ad everyone chooses what he / she is interested in
[18:43:37] @ pusha : tc H
[18:43:43] @ pusha : always a pleasure
[18:43:59] Iron_Fist : @ dmaxx: though I'm not taking part of the decisions, I think Studio should be separate
[18:44:10] @ pusha : *thinking on D's commment"
[18:44:11] @ quisquilia : @hmvh: Adele, Bub!
[18:44:12] Gizmex : Or add (Studio) behind entryname - good idea dmaxx, I'm for it
[18:44:14] @ hmvh : We want as much information as the average submitter is able to provide with ease. Some may be interested in studios, others not. If some are interested, it would be...
[18:44:45] @ hmvh : irresponsible not to provide the facility to capture that data...
[18:44:55] @ pusha : so freetext wiht a drop down ?
[18:45:08] @ pusha : @ with H on the concept
[18:45:13] @ pusha : agree ****
[18:45:19] @ dmaxx : I agree with hmvh
[18:45:35] @ dmaxx : AMIAP
[18:45:43] @ dmaxx : As Much Info As Possible
[18:45:55] @ pusha : lmao
[18:46:03] @ pusha : you completetionist I swear
[18:46:18] @ hmvh : ...after all, some of this is not mandatory (another topic), the initial submitter couldn't care less. The next owner might be interested and would like to capture this information...
[18:46:18] @ pusha : Very Happy
[18:46:19] @ quisquilia : I like
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[18:46:32] @ hmvh : not completisr, just perfectionist. Music lover.
[18:46:42] @ pusha : ok I added the above to the "running" notes
[18:46:53] @ dmaxx : pusha, thx
[18:46:55] @ pusha : its all good
[18:46:57] Iron_Fist : Hello Masakari!
[18:47:02] @ hmvh : Right, I'm gone. Enjoy.
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[18:47:56] @ pusha : damm the next section of stuff is quite technical, with some FAQ user issues
[18:47:56] @ quisquilia : so what's next - I have about 10 minutes still
[18:48:26] @ pusha : maybe we should wrap and we can all digues the next portion of the draft
[18:48:33] @ pusha : disguest****
[18:49:08] @ dmaxx : "What is a label exactly? Where will I find this on my release? ...." ???
[18:49:11] @ dmaxx : That part?
[18:49:15] @ pusha : digest even
[18:49:22] @ dmaxx : Very technical
[18:49:25] @ pusha : correct D
[18:49:32] @ dmaxx : ouch
[18:49:36] @ pusha : well that is FAQ user stuff
[18:49:58] @ pusha : its whats after that "display, hyperlinking"
[18:50:04] @ dmaxx : the definition of label can be searched on wikipedia
[18:50:26] @ quisquilia : JMO: label = branding (TMed) / company = usually given in small print w/ address
[18:51:18] Iron_Fist : label often has an associated logo on spine, but not always.
[18:51:33] @ quisquilia : We probably need Name Variations options for both
[18:51:34] Iron_Fist : *spine or back cover, etc.
[18:51:38] @ dmaxx : lunchtime, bbl
[18:51:52] @ dmaxx : will be back asap
[18:51:59] @ pusha : k
[18:52:04] @ quisquilia : @I_F: logo = branding = label
[18:52:13] @ pusha : I agree with NV on lables
[18:52:17] dmaxx is away : lunch
[18:52:31] @ quisquilia : but label /= company
[18:52:38] Iron_Fist : See you kater guys, I have to get back to work
[18:52:44] Iron_Fist : good luck with all this
[18:52:57] Iron_Fist : *later
[18:52:58] @ quisquilia : thx, bye
[18:53:05] @ pusha : eh - not in the same way we difined "company"
[18:53:06] @ pusha : above
[18:53:11] @ pusha : take care IF
[18:53:27] @ quisquilia : right: we have company credits
[18:53:55] @ quisquilia : AND then we have the company AND label fields for releases
[18:54:28] @ pusha : nods
[18:54:34] @ pusha : correct both
[18:54:42] @ pusha : am I understanding you correctly ?
[18:55:34] @ pusha : actually that would be 3 fields
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[18:55:55] @ quisquilia : I' looking on Discogs for an example to illustrate... gmme a second
[18:56:00] @ pusha : kk
[18:56:22] @ pusha : my apologies for not being completely up to speed on some stuff
[18:57:26] @ quisquilia : http://www.discogs.com/release/1163121
[18:57:49] @ quisquilia : There's a company credit: Other [Editing...]
[18:58:21] @ quisquilia : There is a label: The RPO logo on the cover
[18:58:24] Masakari : Better late than never: Hello @all! Hi Iron_Fist! (I'll shut up now :-)
[18:58:55] @ quisquilia : And there are several companies involved:
[18:59:09] @ quisquilia : TIM as distributor
[18:59:34] @ quisquilia : Centurion in the (p) line
[18:59:39] @ pusha : k I follow you
[18:59:41] @ quisquilia : etc.
[18:59:59] @ quisquilia : Hence we make use of "companies" in two ways
[19:00:36] @ pusha : I dont see centruion
[19:00:41] @ pusha : help
[19:00:42] @ pusha : lol
[19:00:50] @ quisquilia : 1) In credits sometimes companies are credited - we list them & link them -> I call those now "credited companies"
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[19:01:37] @ quisquilia : 2) We also want to shw in the DB the company/ies responsible for the release -> "releasing companies"
[19:02:09] @ quisquilia : Centurion: back cover, second image, below barcode
[19:02:16] @ pusha : check me to see if I follow - creditd companies = more of a catch all ?
[19:03:05] @ quisquilia : not sure I understand
[19:03:44] @ pusha : ummmm ......... credit companies = any supporting companies in the production of the release
[19:03:58] @ pusha : as oppossed to "releasing companies"
[19:04:00] @ quisquilia : Point about "credited companies" is that we want to gather As Much Ifo As Possible about release, i.e. all credits
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[19:04:21] @ pusha : k I am with you
[19:04:31] @ quisquilia : Yes, I think we mean the same.
[19:04:54] @ pusha : and to get back to centerioun ...... they = manufactor
[19:05:01] @ dmaxx : back...
[19:05:11] @ pusha : wb D
[19:05:15] @ quisquilia : My terms are a bit clumsy... should just illustrate the difference, sorry.
[19:05:38] @ pusha : nope your ok, I appreciate you spending hte time to educate me
[19:06:49] Masakari : "Music Company" vs "Production Studio"? (I mean the terms...)
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[19:08:58] @ quisquilia : Well, no, the credited companies are not necessarily studios. They could be Nifty Design Inc or StarsPhotograph.Com etc. It's two different instances of companies appearing on releases.
[19:09:30] @ quisquilia : 1) Those credited in the credits section, possibly linked in our DB.
[19:09:33] @ pusha : *editing the draft document*
[19:10:04] @ quisquilia : 2) Those real world business counterparts of the respective label.
[19:10:36] @ dmaxx : Agreed on everything
[19:10:40] @ quisquilia : p - we are left all alone... *pout*
[19:10:52] @ quisquilia : oh, hi d
[19:11:02] @ dmaxx : heya q
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[19:12:17] @ quisquilia : ok, everything agreed on for the drafts now?
[19:12:37] @ quisquilia : need to go in ... 5 min latest
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[19:12:57] @ dmaxx : :-/
[19:13:03] @ pusha : yeah I will edit up my post
[19:13:13] @ pusha : D do you have the "raw" chat cut and pasted
[19:13:38] @ dmaxx : Got it all
[19:14:34] @ pusha : nice
[19:14:48] @ pusha : well we had another productive session
[19:14:53] @ quisquilia : Cool. Will try to log in later (around 9pm hereabouts... = in 2 hrs)
[19:14:53] @ pusha : I am proud of us
[19:15:00] @ pusha : tangible progress
[19:15:11] @ quisquilia : :-D
[19:15:17] @ dmaxx : I will check each hour
[19:15:25] @ dmaxx : Yeah, we're great
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[19:15:28] @ quisquilia : bye
[19:15:47] @ dmaxx : quisquilla, bye
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[19:15:54] @ pusha : take care Q
[19:18:46] @ pusha : d let me run this past you
[19:19:06] @ pusha : it is the cleaned up results of what we discussed
[19:19:28] @ dmaxx : yes
[19:19:33] @ pusha : Where Audio is the main focus of the release entity or of equal importance to
[19:19:50] @ pusha : any visual accompaniment; ie: music video of live performance
[19:20:05] @ pusha : Further, promotional materials to support such releases are also welcome.
[19:20:22] @ pusha : Given, they too are am audio entity in nature.
[19:20:34] @ pusha : In addition, we aim to create a” sub” archive of various supporting companies that too
[19:20:42] @ pusha : are involved in such audio releases; ie: studios, manufacturers, cover art and its
[19:20:50] @ pusha : individual artist ect
[19:20:59] @ pusha : We believe it our responsibility to allow a user to capture as much data and detail per
[19:21:08] @ pusha : release as users choose to include.
[19:21:25] @ dmaxx : great
[19:21:43] @ dmaxx : Will you edit the topic on the forum?
[19:21:51] @ pusha : cool
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[19:21:56] @ pusha : yes
[19:22:42] @ pusha : damm sounds pretty good don't it
[19:22:55] @ pusha : that is team work
[19:22:58] @ dmaxx : I like it too
[19:23:09] @ pusha : all I can say is ..............
[19:23:11] @ pusha : phewwwwww
[19:23:20] @ pusha : I was really getting worried yesterday
[19:24:53] @ dmaxx : I wasn't really, but if it would have taken longer without result
[19:24:59] @ dmaxx : then me too
[19:25:44] @ dmaxx : We have something decent going on here
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[19:28:18] @ pusha : nods
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[19:30:00] @ dmaxx : I will stay online, and check regulary if other SC members come online
[19:30:05] @ dmaxx : With two we can't do much
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[19:33:06] Gizmex : According to labels, companies, distributors. If we're going to add the linked
[19:33:55] Gizmex : We should write definition of each one to avoid mistakes "what is what" made by amateur users, beginners
[19:34:16] Gizmex : often on the releases there's not clear what is what
[19:34:35] @ dmaxx : We will work on that, yes
[19:34:40] Gizmex : only logos, few letters
[19:36:26] @ dmaxx : Yep
[19:36:30] Gizmex : thnx dmaxx, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's important
[19:40:59] @ dmaxx : It is important, clear definitions are needed from the start to avoid problems later on.
[19:42:13] Gizmex : clear definitions with examples even