[17:30:11] @ dmaxx : In what should Dev be subdivided?
[17:30:19] @ deejsasqui : we will chat more, but under a different title
[17:30:34] @ dmaxx : Yep
[17:30:48] @ deejsasqui : side question: was Masakari talking earlier, or has he been a ghost the whole time?
[17:30:49] corne_mo : I'm thinking atm.
[17:31:02] @ hmvh : Can we keep that to the forum or MUST that be decided now?
[17:31:08] corne_mo : if we get ride of the complete current system
[17:31:13] @ dmaxx : M has talked before
[17:31:17] corne_mo : we need an "about" part
[17:31:24] @ deejsasqui : dmaxx: ok
[17:31:51] @ dmaxx : Can't we just replace "SC" by "DevZ"
[17:31:55] corne_mo : we need a place where management announce
[17:32:02] @ dmaxx : And leave all others to discuss the tasks?
[17:32:20] corne_mo : and imo we need the different parts now under general as most of them are development
[17:32:21] quisquilia is Disconnected on Sun 22 Jun 2008 - 17:32
[17:32:24] @ dmaxx : And because of the managment size (3 ppl), those anouncements could be stickied
[17:32:33] @ deejsasqui : we already have an About forum - it's the only one you can see when you're not logged in
[17:33:18] @ deejsasqui : I agree the management updates / summaries should be in one place, or gathered in one place, and kept in their respective forums.
[17:33:33] corne_mo : a generic dev zone where all announcements about dev are made/tracked
[17:34:08] corne_mo : and all current general forums with the different parts for the devzone
[17:34:21] corne_mo : @dmaxx: can you easily switch some things around?
[17:34:36] @ dmaxx : Sure
[17:34:45] @ deejsasqui : maybe we have a locked, sticky Management Summaries, like some of the threads at Discogs.
[17:35:08] corne_mo : OK guys, I think we need to decide now about the forum part
[17:35:12] @ dmaxx : Seperate forum = Ok, locked is not needed imo
[17:35:17] @ deejsasqui : at this moment, I don't think we'll have enough activity to really need a whole News forum (though it would be a clean place to keep news posts)
[17:35:39] @ deejsasqui : and because our discussions are open, there'll be no surprise news, like there is at Discogs
[17:35:44] corne_mo : we can always lock the topic afterwards if something that should be discussed elsewhere is discussed in the announcement topic
[17:35:47] @ dmaxx : Lol, true
[17:36:19] @ deejsasqui : corne: my thoughts exactly =)
[17:37:01] @ deejsasqui : because there are so many different threads, having some summary posts in one place could make it easier for those with less time to keep up with things
[17:37:08] @ dmaxx : I'll make a opic in which we can post our ideas for the new structure, OK?
[17:37:15] @ deejsasqui : they could index the progress of the forums
[17:37:21] @ deejsasqui : ok
[17:37:30] corne_mo : I agree and it will be easier for management and all others to keep a generic overview
[17:37:38] @ deejsasqui : yeah - we shouldn't start decreeing things from our super-secret chat discussion =)
[17:38:19] corne_mo : @dmaxx: i think it's best to put a proposal in that topic otherwise it will be a long discussion and we need this new structure to keep things rolling
[17:39:14] @ dmaxx : https://discogs.actieforum.com/11-other-f15/new-structure-discussion-t285.htm#5955
[17:39:40] @ dmaxx : Just a basic structure
[17:39:54] corne_mo : So we now have a new organisational structure and a new proposal for the forums
[17:40:28] corne_mo : What else can be initiated atm?
[17:41:00] @ deejsasqui : should we set up a vote to disolve the SC?
[17:41:05] corne_mo : I'm thinking of contacting Lazlo to get the legal issues part rolling.
[17:41:20] @ deejsasqui : or can we just assume it didn't work as planned, because we didn't get nearly enough done?
[17:41:29] corne_mo : and asking masakari if he wants to develop some other page layouts
[17:41:35] @ deejsasqui : how would you contact Lazlo - he's been MIA for a good long whie, right?
[17:41:40] @ deejsasqui : *while
[17:41:44] @ dmaxx : deejsasqui: let the SC vote to dismantle themselves? Not sure because many of them are no longer active
[17:42:15] @ dmaxx : I think we have to admit the SC and especially the SSC structure never really was a success
[17:42:23] corne_mo : @deej: see above. majority of SC is here and agree. So is decided already andactually was in yesterdays chat too
[17:43:19] @ hmvh : What remains of the SC is present here and now, it seems.
[17:43:33] corne_mo : lazlo has an e-mail adres on his website :-)
[17:43:47] @ deejsasqui : ok on both counts =)
[17:44:21] @ dmaxx : https://discogs.actieforum.com/11-other-f15/new-structure-discussion-t285.htm#5955
[17:44:21] Masakari has been disconnected the Sun 22 Jun 2008 - 17:44 (session timeout)
[17:44:29] @ dmaxx : Is that ok?
[17:44:32] Masakari has joined the chat the Sun 22 Jun 2008 - 17:44
[17:44:51] corne_mo : @masakari: are you willing to make some more page layouts?
[17:46:10] Masakari : @corne: about the layout -- initially I wanted to initiate that also other users make some drafts (didn't work, as you know :-). I think it's best to have layouts from _different_ people, so we can choose one...
[17:46:26] @ hmvh : Looks fine.
[17:46:56] corne_mo : @Masakari: Yes, but we need some people to get things going, and as you've noticed you got a lot of responce on your designs.
[17:47:20] @ dmaxx : Yeah those where good
[17:47:31] corne_mo : Most people first need to see something before they know what they want themselves. I'm not saying your designs will be the final ones.
[17:48:09] corne_mo : But I think you have done some good contributions with your designs so far
[17:48:46] Masakari : I have some ideas, but I'm somewhat deadlocked on the style - the most important thing is input -- not only what you want to see, but also on the arrangement, colors used etc.
[17:48:56] @ deejsasqui : I wanted to muck around with some graphics, too, but I haven't. I'll try to get something up this week, to provide a constrast to Masakari's designs
[17:49:31] @ dmaxx : Great
[17:49:34] corne_mo : @masakari, personally I don't think colours are the most important atm. We can simply change them later if we use style sheets
[17:50:09] corne_mo : but general layouts are important and it represents what we want to see. Just put your own thoughts on paper and we'll got a lot of great ideas I'm sure
[17:50:16] @ dmaxx : We can even let users pick them Smile
[17:50:57] @ hmvh : ...now what would be more democratic than that?!
[17:51:01] Masakari : I think I could play around with psychonauseas' and deej's tab-layout
[17:51:02] @ dmaxx : I suggest to keep the SC forums three more days open to let other users reply on the SC chat session topic
[17:51:49] corne_mo : Please don't use user defined colours. It's not kindergarten is it?
[17:51:56] corne_mo : @dmaxx: OK for me.
[17:52:33] Masakari : @ deej: yeah, another layout would be great!
[17:53:18] corne_mo : and after these three days incorporate the new structure. Then we can also add a first announcement to find a 3th manager
[17:53:27] corne_mo : or is deejsasqui interested?
[17:53:28] @ deejsasqui : I've had some ideas in my head, but I'm not sure how well they'd all fit
[17:53:32] @ dmaxx : Ok
[17:53:47] @ deejsasqui : who are all the possible managers?
[17:53:59] @ deejsasqui : and should we have another vote to choose them?
[17:54:03] corne_mo : for now dmaxx and I have volunteered
[17:54:37] @ deejsasqui : gotcha - yeah, I'd like to be part of the initial management
[17:55:03] @ deejsasqui : and we can state we aren't securing these positions for the life of DDb, but as an initial way of keeping things focused
[17:55:28] @ dmaxx : Very good
[17:55:35] @ dmaxx : Very Happy
[17:55:38] corne_mo : indeed. When things are up and running we can always have elections for new managers
[17:55:45] @ deejsasqui : re: SC shut-down - could we let it end on July 5? That'll be the planned end of the SC anyway
[17:55:57] @ dmaxx : ^ Good remark
[17:56:05] @ dmaxx : 5/6 is fine
[17:56:10] @ dmaxx : 5/7*
[17:56:21] corne_mo : I think it's too far ahead if we want to incorporate the new forum structure
[17:56:40] @ dmaxx : All changes will be made at 5/7
[17:56:40] corne_mo : cause as long as the SC is there we can't close any SC related topics
[17:57:01] corne_mo : but it gives us some more time to get everything implemented.
[17:57:03] @ hmvh : 5/7 makes sense... gives people chance to respond or complain.
[17:57:34] @ hmvh : Besides, whether it's 5/7 or yesterday: What's the nest step?
[17:57:42] @ hmvh : ^^next
[17:57:57] @ dmaxx : The tasklist
[17:58:08] @ dmaxx : And searching ppl who volunteer for tasks
[17:58:28] corne_mo : on the tasklist so far:
[17:58:38] corne_mo : - changing forum on 5/7 (dmaxx)
[17:58:55] @ corne_mo : - page layout ideas (Masakari and deejsasqui)
[17:59:13] @ corne_mo : can we put a period for that after which we can see some first results?
[17:59:34] @ dmaxx : forum change end: 5/7
[18:00:34] @ corne_mo : deej and masakari: any idea how long it will take you to get some first sketches? Two weeks, 4 weeks?
[18:00:55] Masakari : minus 2 1/2 months
[18:00:59] @ deejsasqui : if I have some quiet time today, I can get one or two done
[18:01:25] @ corne_mo : so let's say we must have some first sketches within 2 weeks
[18:02:04] @ corne_mo : I'll contact lazlo today or tomorrow and hope he will contribute some on the legal part. I'll past the progress as soon as possible and at least before the end of next week
[18:02:10] @ deejsasqui : re: forums - we can make the new forums now, and shift our discussions there and in other forums.
[18:02:31] @ dmaxx : I think pano could also be of great help on the financial and legal part
[18:02:43] @ corne_mo : I'll contact him too
[18:02:59] @ dmaxx : deej: creating the "Managment Zone"?
[18:03:11] @ dmaxx : Fine for me
[18:03:35] @ corne_mo : I think we can, we must also publish a good explanation of the organisational changes made
[18:03:55] @ dmaxx : Certainly
[18:03:59] @ deejsasqui : yeah - it's not a move that will shape DDB, it's just a way to re-focus discussions
[18:04:01] @ dmaxx : I'll notify the SC members later
[18:04:10] @ deejsasqui : corne: agreed
[18:04:34] @ deejsasqui : dmaxx: maybe a post in the main SC forum, and then PM each member who isn't already active?
[18:04:42] @ corne_mo : and we can start with some timeline work already. All mini-tasks have to be gathered somewhere. And a link to the specific topic can be made in that timeline overview
[18:04:59] @ dmaxx : devzone created
[18:05:12] @ dmaxx : deej: ok
[18:06:00] @ corne_mo : create the announcement part too
[18:06:05] @ corne_mo : we can already use it
[18:06:55] @ corne_mo : as for tasks. I think deejsasqui will continue searching for coders?
[18:09:10] @ deejsasqui : yeah
[18:09:30] @ deejsasqui : that's my priority for today
[18:09:56] @ dmaxx : Managers are now granted moderation rights in the chatbox
[18:10:12] @ dmaxx : I'll give you the status on 5/7
[18:10:23] @ dmaxx : And access to the "News" subforum
[18:11:13] @ corne_mo : you mean the status for in the forums?
[18:11:25] @ corne_mo : That's OK. As the SC must have it until 5/7
[18:12:04] Masakari : OT - @dmaxx: do you happen to know if there's a space-limit for the servimg.com page (where I uploaded my pics)?
[18:12:29] @ dmaxx : conre_mo: yep, the title under your nickname so ppl can see it
[18:12:49] @ deejsasqui : bbl - breakfast time
[18:12:55] @ dmaxx : I'll check it out, just a moment
[18:13:02] @ dmaxx : deej: enjoy
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[18:13:10] @ corne_mo : breakfast? I'm all for diner atm
[18:13:34] @ corne_mo : maybe these images can be hosted on the initial server which is set up for DDB?
[18:13:43] @ corne_mo : if that is stil available that is
[18:16:40] @ dmaxx : Masakari: can't tell you if there's a limit
[18:16:48] @ dmaxx : Do you know imageshack.us?
[18:17:13] @ dmaxx : Otherwise you can always give them to me and I'll place them on my webspace (the same space which hosts the DDB banner)
[18:17:46] @ dmaxx : It's lunchtime here too, I will be back soon
[18:17:46] @ corne_mo : I also have some webspace available. So hosting may not be the problem
[18:18:46] Masakari : I know imageshack, but I'm a newb when it comes to these things. Will contact you when there's a problem with the space - thanks, dmaxx, corne_mo!
[18:18:55] @ corne_mo : @dmaxx: can you make a post in the SC forum about the changes we've discussed today, and a first announcing post in the dev zone news explaining the new system and what we want
[18:19:33] @ corne_mo : sorry to let you do it, but you're the only one who can post there atm
[18:24:16] Masakari : Ok folks, have to go. Bye :-)
[18:24:44] @ corne_mo : bye
[18:24:54] Masakari is Disconnected on Sun 22 Jun 2008 - 18:24
[18:25:19] @ corne_mo : I think we should end this chat session now.
[18:25:26] @ corne_mo : We have some work to do:
[18:25:40] @ corne_mo : - dmaxx: reorg the forums and publish some messages about todays decisions
[18:25:56] @ corne_mo : - deej & masa: design some layouts (2 weeks)
[18:26:08] @ corne_mo : corne_mo: contact pano and lazlo about legal stuff
[18:26:23] @ corne_mo : - and I'll also try to make some sort of organisational plan
[18:27:04] @ corne_mo : things that have to be discussed later:
[18:27:11] @ corne_mo : - wiki reorganisation
[18:27:17] @ corne_mo : - initial DB??
[18:27:50] @ corne_mo : any other stuff that should be on the agenda for next times chat? And will we have some sort of regular chat where everyone can interrupt?
[18:30:59] hmvh : Might be good to have another chat as soon as next week Saturday.
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[18:33:07] dmaxx has been disconnected the Sun 22 Jun 2008 - 18:33 (session timeout)
[18:33:57] @ corne_mo : Yep, next saturday at 16:00 CET